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Why the Greeks Forgot

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The priest explains that fires and floods keep wiping out people and their memories, but Egypt kept its records safe.

Plato's priest speaks of events 9,000 years before Solon (about 9600 BCE)

What the text says

There have been, and will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes; the greatest have been brought about by the agencies of fire and water, and other lesser ones by innumerable other causes.

Timaeus 22c

In the first place you remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones

Timaeus 23b

and so you have to begin all over again like children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves.

Timaeus 23b

As touching your citizens of 9000 years ago, I will briefly inform you of their laws and of their most famous action

Timaeus 23e

The story

The priest explains why the Greeks know so little. Again and again, he says, the world is struck by disasters. The worst come from fire and from water. The Greek story of Phaethon, who crashed the sun's chariot and burned the earth, is a memory of one of these fires.

When floods come, the people in Greek cities are swept away. Only shepherds in the mountains survive, and they cannot read or write. So each time, the Greeks start over like children and forget everything that came before.

Egypt is different, the priest says. The Nile protects it, and the priests write down every great event and keep it in their temples. That is how they know about a time 9,000 years earlier, when Athens was the best city in the world and fought a mighty enemy.

Plato does not say which Egyptian records the priest meant, and the priest promises to show the written details later. In the dialogue, that never happens.

What we actually know

No Egyptian record of Atlantis has been found, and Jowett noted that the story appears in no writer before Plato. One theory links Plato's 9,000 years to the end of the last ice age: the warm period we live in, the Holocene, began about 11,700 years ago, close to the 11,600 years that Plato's number gives. This is a match of dates only. No ruins or objects tie Atlantis to that time.

Sources for this chapter

  1. Plato's TimaeusA dialogue written by the Greek philosopher Plato in Athens around 360 BC. It opens with the story of Atlantis, said to come from Egyptian priests by way of the Athenian lawmaker Solon, then explains how the world was made. It is the oldest source for Atlantis; no earlier writer mentions it.Plato, Timaeus, translated by Benjamin Jowett (Project Gutenberg ebook 1572), hosted in the Credible Theories Library
  2. Plato's TimaeusBenjamin Jowett, Introduction to the Timaeus (1892), in the same Library file: 'The tale of Atlantis is the fabric of a vision' and 'there is no such legend in any writer previous to Plato'
  3. WikipediaA free online encyclopedia written and edited by volunteers. It is a good starting point and usually lists its own sources, but anyone can change it, so we treat it as a guide to better sources, not the final word.Wikipedia, 'Holocene' (start of the epoch about 11,700 years ago)
  4. WikipediaWikipedia, 'Younger Dryas' (the last cold snap of the ice age) Archived copy, 2026-10-03

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